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Re: Paul Orberson and Excel

Curt Miller — Sat, 02 Jan 2016 03:42:05 -0000

Agreed, Justine.. it is pretty easy to tell if something can stand the "ponzi/pyramid" test - it just seems most don't care, they like to call everything a ponzi or a pyramid, no matter what.. haha

I caught Excel after it had already reached it's heyday.. but that idea has now come full-circle and i wouldn't miss it for the world: http://surveys4cellphoneser...

Re: Paul Orberson and Excel

Sheila — Wed, 07 Aug 2013 11:25:13 -0000

My Mother believed in Paul and invested money in Excel. And in 1998 her investment paid off 604,000 dollars.

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fitnessguru — Wed, 15 Feb 2012 17:48:54 -0000

class action you are truly a no talented uneducated person. i feel sorry for you

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alllstore — Fri, 06 Jan 2012 00:47:18 -0000

I am a realestate agent and in some companies I get a percentage for every new agent that is brought in the company and some of the monthly fees are $300.00 to $1,500 before a sale witch are 100% commission.
I have a insurance licence to and the same thing some companies will pay commission for me to recrute new agents. are these pyramid schames to.
Now after seeing the money i can make in a mlm company i joined one they have products and i get commission for bringing new people in and i still get paid 100% commission. Yes there are pyramid schemes. sales are as hard as hell or every body would be doing it. just because some people make a lot money and make it look easy don't put them down be happy for them.

Re: Paul Orberson and Excel

Rcombs15 — Sat, 19 Nov 2011 12:34:36 -0000

Show me your residual check from selling other peoples products. Its a people mill. Get out while u can. Its a joke. The only thing Orbeson did right was get into the ground floor of Excell. Made lots of money, because it was new. As soon as competition came, ie remember the 5 cents a minute commercials. Excell was doomed. Perfect timing for Paul, but does not make him a genius bussinessman. Fortune hi tech is doomed. Luckily, u guys have about 350,000,000 potential customers to burn through. Good luck, youll need it.

Re: Paul Orberson and Excel

Eddie — Sat, 17 Sep 2011 12:36:04 -0000

Pyramids date back to Egypt! Notice the shape of a pyramid, it comes to a single point, or stone. And is supported by the weight underneath. Nothing moves, everything still.... companies with viable products that end up in the consumers hand that move through distributors are not classified as a pyramid. Get it, "Viable products that move through distributors and end up in the consumers hands".
I found an awesome company which I joined a while back and doing very good.
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Re: Paul Orberson and Excel

Fhtmachine — Tue, 29 Mar 2011 22:42:36 -0000

I know I paid less to get into FHTM than i paid to get into my job, my job costed me 15000 its nuts.
I like FHTm cause the same week I started i profited and got tax write offs as we are ferderally and government regulated. It's so cool.

I can respect peoples ignorance, but for a silly 150.00 just get in and try it and see if yo can make a paycheck and once you get paid than be judgemental. I mean even Warren Buffett and Donald trump back the MLM industry. If your a nay sayer, stop wasting your breath, cause i wouldnt listen you before I listened to Don or Warren. But thank you for sharing.

Re: Paul Orberson and Excel

fhtmclassaction — Thu, 24 Mar 2011 07:04:39 -0000

Fortune Hi-Tech Marketing lies about its 3A1 D&B rating to entice people to join its pyramid scheme. See full current report at www.fhtmclassaction.info

FTC Steps Up Efforts Against Scams That Target Financially-Strapped Consumers

More Than 90 Actions Brought By Commission and Its Law Enforcement Partners

Attorney General Roy Cooper today joined state attorneys general from across the country and the Federal Trade Commission to announce a national sweep targeting business opportunity scams, including actions against four companies that have targeted North Carolina consumers.
“When jobs are scarce, claims to help people make money fast become plentiful,” Cooper said. “Consumers think they’re buying into a great way to earn a living, but they could end up paying far more than they’ll ever make.”
In challenging economic times, many people in the state are looking for work. Unfortunately, sometimes they find scams instead of legitimate opportunities. Complaints to the Attorney General’s Consumer Protection Division about business opportunity, work-at-home schemes, and other employment related scams were up 11 percent last year, from 177 complaints in 2009 to 197 complaints in 2010.
Operation Empty Promises is a national sweep by the FTC, Cooper and other state attorneys general aimed at stopping business opportunity scams and educating consumers about how to avoid them. Announced as part of the sweep are actions taken by Cooper’s Consumer Protection Division against four companies including Fortune Hi Tech Marketing who claims that people who buy into its business earn thousands of dollars a year. Based on consumer complaints, Cooper’s office launched an investigation into FHTM in mid 2010. Consumers say they paid money to the company but were only able to make money by recruiting others into the scheme, not by selling any actual goods or services. A total of 25 consumers have now complained about FHTM, and Cooper’s office is investigating the company. Although this case is currently under investigation, it’s important for consumers to know that a pyramid scheme is a violation of the law and is defined as any plan in which a participant pays money for the chance to receive money upon the introduction of new participants into the program.
“We’re looking closely at business opportunities that seem to offer false hopes, and also reaching out to educate consumers on how to recognize and avoid fraud,” Cooper said.
Later this month, Cooper’s office plans to launch a tool kit to educate consumers on fake business opportunities which will include print, web and video materials. The goal is to prevent North Carolina consumers from losing their hard-earned money to scammers trying to take advantage of a tough employment market.
“Don’t let scammers use empty promises of jobs with high earnings to take your money,” Cooper warned consumers. “Before you agree to invest in any business, check it out thoroughly and always be skeptical of claims of guaranteed profits.”
Cooper has taken action against a number of other kinds of scams fueled by hard times. For example, his Consumer Protection Division has won 13 cases against foreclosure assistance and loan modification scams in the past five years, including two so far in 2011.The Federal Trade Commission today stepped up its ongoing campaign against scammers who falsely promise guaranteed jobs and opportunities to “be your own boss” to consumers who are struggling with unemployment and diminished incomes as a consequence of the economic downturn.
“Operation Empty Promises,” a multi-agency law enforcement initiative today announced more than 90 enforcement actions, including three new FTC cases and developments in seven other matters, 48 criminal actions by the Department of Justice (many of which involved the assistance of the U.S. Postal Inspection Service), seven additional civil actions by the Postal Inspection Service, and 28 actions by state law enforcement agencies in Alaska, California, Indiana, Kansas, Maryland, Montana, New Jersey, North Carolina, Oregon, Washington, and the District of Columbia.
In a press conference at the FTC, David Vladeck, Director of the FTC’s Bureau of Consumer Protection, was joined by Tony West, Assistant Attorney General for the Civil Division of the Department of Justice; Greg Campbell, Deputy Chief Inspector of the U.S. Postal Inspection Service; North Carolina Attorney General Roy Cooper; and a California consumer who had bought into a program to start his own Internet business.
“The victims of these frauds are our neighbors – people who are trying to make an honest living,” said David C. Vladeck, Director of the FTC’s Bureau of Consumer Protection. “Under pressure to make ends meet, they risked their limited financial resources in response to the promise of a job, an income – a chance at a profitable home-based business. But these turned out to be empty promises – and the people who counted on them ended up with high levels of frustration and even higher levels of debt.”
The FTC has updated consumer education materials to help consumers avoid falling victim to these scams. Screen shots from the websites of some of the operators charged in this law enforcement sweep, as well as video footage of FTC Consumer Protection Director Vladeck and FTC attorney Daniel Hanks, are also available at the FTC website.

Re: Paul Orberson and Excel

Hall4865 — Thu, 24 Mar 2011 01:03:09 -0000

how much did you pay to join????

Sucker.
http://www.whas11.com/news/...

Re: Paul Orberson and Excel

fhtmclassaction — Mon, 07 Mar 2011 10:04:54 -0000

Amazing man? That's what people thought about Bernie Maddoff before he went to prison for 150 years. It takes a true Christian man to come out of retirement to rip people off and claim he is helping them financially. Sound familiar?

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Luis A Torres — Tue, 22 Feb 2011 22:49:02 -0000

This is the next Excel: http//www.digitalaccessbusiness.com

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fhtmclassaction — Fri, 24 Dec 2010 14:08:38 -0000

There is a ton of brillance in the FHTM comp plan.
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Re: Paul Orberson and Excel

fhtmclassaction — Fri, 24 Dec 2010 14:07:53 -0000

2nd class-action lawsuit filed against the "Angel" and "God fearing self proclaimed minister" Paul Orberson and his scam company FHTM in California on 12/22/10.

Re: Paul Orberson and Excel

fhtmclassaction — Fri, 24 Dec 2010 11:08:24 -0000

A 2nd incriminating class-action lawsuit was just filed in California against this outstanding citizen and his fraudulent company that operates as a pyramid scheme according to the court files.

The entire lawsuit may be read at www.fhtmclassaction.info

Re: Paul Orberson and Excel

fhtmclassaction — Fri, 24 Dec 2010 11:08:06 -0000

You are truly a brainwashed idiot. Sales or no sales it is an ILLEGAL PYRAMID SCHEME!

Re: Paul Orberson and Excel

fhtmclassaction — Fri, 24 Dec 2010 11:07:14 -0000

A 2nd incriminating class-action lawsuit was just filed in California against this outstanding citizen and his fraudulent company that operates as a pyramid scheme according to the court files.

The entire lawsuit may be read at www.fhtmclassaction.info

Re: Paul Orberson and Excel

Michael — Tue, 16 Nov 2010 18:15:41 -0000

What an amazing gracious man... what an amazing company!

Re: Paul Orberson and Excel

Michael — Sun, 07 Nov 2010 22:31:59 -0000

WOW Great discussion on this amazing man. I have met him several times and have spent over a year researching him and his "new" company Fortune Hi-Tech Marketing.

He is for real!

Dispite all of these complaints and suits the company is very strong and is helping a lot of people.

We all know the stats... 95% will not do the work and will "FAIL" but it is nto that they are part of a bad compnay it is that they are scared or too proud. I like the video by Tim Sales at http://www.youtube.com/watc...

I have read about every suit and most complaints brought against FHTM to see if there is any ligitmacy to it. And in EVERY case we have an example of someone who was "hurt" because they did not achieve their goals. Embarassed by their failure they have that knee jerk reaction to say it is the company's fault... just like every any any network marketing /MLM company!

Fortune (FHTM) is a genuine pay it forward opportunity where you can get paid to help people earn money! AMAZING

If anyone wants to really look into this I recomend you listen to this pre recorded phone call at 212-990-6847 or go to this website at www.DebtFreeAndRich.com

Re: Paul Orberson and Excel

Michael — Sun, 07 Nov 2010 22:19:51 -0000

I have done a lot of research on companies like this and have interviewed dozens of folks involved in this company. I was blown away not by the CRIMES but by the amazing tool this has been to help people make a genuine income. This is the best Pay It Forward Program where you can get paid to help people get paid. The only people that are complaining are the ones who refused to do the required work. I am making thousands a month and invest about ten or twelve hours a week into it. If you are really intersted call this pre-recorded message at 212-990-6847 or go to the web site www.DebtFreeAndRich.com

Re: Paul Orberson and Excel

Michael — Sun, 07 Nov 2010 22:14:04 -0000

When looking into companies like these I have done a lot of research.

I have discovered that these suits and complaints are usually from reps that didn't do the work. Too many are looking for a "free lunch" ... although you are likely to become successful a lot quicker than in a 9-5 job... it requires you put in some significant time to reach every plateau.

I have interviwed about a dozen people involved in this particular company "Fortune Hi-Tech Marketing" and have come to the conclution that this is a legitimate company.

Dish has been so impressed by their relationship with Fortune that they gave Fortune a monthly television show. That speaks well to how they have served their partners.

I was impressed by this pre-recorded message that I heard at 212-990-6847... a great explanation of what they are doing. GREAT COMPANY!!!

Re: Paul Orberson and Excel

Michael — Sun, 07 Nov 2010 22:08:07 -0000

Brilliant discussion Jutine... I have done a gob of research and this is not your "average" business much less your "average MLM or Network Marketing company" It is BASED on sales and no one is paid until sales are made so it can NOT be a "pyramid"

Very genuine and very powerful. Dish, Cell phones, Home Security, Idenity Theif protection, high speed internet and so many servies that we already use.

I was impressed by this pre-recorded call at 212-990-6847... very cool

Re: Paul Orberson and Excel

Michael — Sun, 07 Nov 2010 22:03:16 -0000

I know that because of his amazing success in EXCEL he was invited to speak by other network marketing compnays I heard that he spoke for AMWAY many years ago so he could tell these network marketing companies how he surpassed everyone's success! Amazing -- Listen to this pre-recorded call at 212-990-6847

Re: Paul Orberson and Excel

Justine — Sun, 12 Sep 2010 17:29:07 -0000

I can't believe that people are still debating this "is it or isn't it" a pyramid issue. If you will re read the definition of a "pyramid scheme" again - I'll highlight the pertinent issues:

There are two tell-tale signs that a product is simply being used to disguise a pyramid scheme: inventory loading and a lack of retail sales. Inventory loading occurs when a company's incentive program forces recruits to buy more products than they could ever sell, often at inflated prices. If this occurs throughout the company's distribution system, the people at the top of the pyramid reap substantial profits, even though little or no product moves to market.

Think carfeully folks - there is no loading of inventory - thr brilliance of the FHTM system is that there is NO INVENTORY. IRs can elect to sell some or all of the many products and services. I personally spoke with high level personnel from Dish Network who are very impressed with ability of FHTM IRs to gather customers.

Nay say all you want but I believe that Paul Orberson and his team have the best of intentions that this company is truly the "business model" of the future - and yes i am involved with FHTM and very happy at that!

Re: Paul Orberson and Excel

Barbara Bushe — Mon, 06 Sep 2010 09:22:03 -0000

The class action lawsuit filed on September 2, 2010 against Fortune Hi-Tech Marketing, Inc., its officers, Presidential Ambassadors and National Sales managers claim RICO violations.

This is an action by plaintiffs on behalf of themselves and those similarly situated to recover damages caused by the defendants' operation of an inherently fraudulent pyramid scheme. The pyramid scheme is fraudulent because it requires the payment by participants of money to defendant Fortune Hi-Tech Marketing, Inc. ("Fortune"), in return for which participants receive (1) the right to sell products and (2) the right to receive in return for recruiting other participants into the program rewards which are unrelated to sale of the product to ultimate users.

This action is brought on behalf of a national class of persons who serve or have served as independent representatives for Fortune, pursuant to the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act, 18 U.S.C. § 1961-1968 ("RICO"), the Kentucky Consumer Protection Act, KRS Chapter 367, and the laws of Kentucky.

Under the Compensation Plan utilized by Fortune until at least July 1, 2010, IRs are able to earn compensation from two sources: (1) bonuses for recruiting and sponsoring new representatives; and (2) commissions from sales of products and services by themselves and by recruits in their "downline.

Fortune operates as an illegal pyramid scheme because this compensation plan affords IRs the right to receive in return for recruiting other participants into Fortune rewards which are unrelated to the sale of products or services to ultimate users outside of Fortune. Fortune's compensation plan involves an elaborate set of bonuses which are effectively the only way to earn money in Fortune and which are all tied not to real sales to outside customers, but rather to recruitment of new IRs.

To perpetuate the fraudulent pyramid scheme described above, Fortune claims to have special relationships with or to be a "partner" of several large major national companies whose products and services Fortune offers. These companies include, but are not limited to, AT&T, Verizon Wireless, Sprint, Dish Networks, General Electric Security ("GE Security"), DuPont and Home Depot. Fortune has used the trademarks of these and other companies in marketing materials and business presentations in order to convince prospective customers that Fortune is a legal business. In reality, Fortune does not have any sort of special relationship with these companies. Fortune is not a "partner" with Dish Networks. Rather it is a third-party independent contractor authorized to sell Dish Networks service. There are numerous other such third-party vendors of Dish Network.

All of the defendants in this action collectively form an "enterprise" under RICO, 18 U.S.C. § 1962, in that they are a group of individuals and entities associated in fact, although not a legal entity.

The defendants' promotion of an illegal pyramid scheme is a per se scheme to defraud under the mail and wire fraud statutes; thus, the defendants have committed racketeering acts by promoting an illegal pyramid scheme by using and causing others to use the mail and by transmitting and causing others to transmit, by means of wire in interstate commerce, writing, signs, signals, pictures and sounds, all in furtherance of and for purposes of executing a scheme or artifice to defraud, namely an illegal pyramid scheme.

Re: Paul Orberson and Excel

Paulie — Thu, 05 Aug 2010 08:10:45 -0000

he speaks all of the time but only on his MLM scam - Fortune Hi-Tech Marketing. Its all he knows. His book is a farse which was written by his partner's son. It's all about making money for Paul - he is a great BS'er.